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three ([personal profile] threeplusfire) wrote2004-03-21 01:19 pm

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I shouldn't read the internet so soon after waking. It only pisses me off.

Fuck that vegan moral superiority bullshit. There's something delightfully evil about knowing that in order to sustain large crops of grains you end up with a lot of dead field mice. Oh, I am so going to use that line on the next self righteous vegan who tries to make me feel guilty for eating meat.

Thankfully my friends who are vegetarian/vegan/whatever who are not militant about their choices and don't feel the need to run around trying to guilt others into adopting their behaviour. I will kindly eat their share of the world's meat so they won't have to. Everyone wins!

Some thoughts on the matter, stolen from elsewhere

[identity profile] ekatarina.livejournal.com 2004-03-21 12:03 pm (UTC)(link)
I recall reading an argument to support the ethical treatment of animals by *not* going vegetarian.

It went like this:
If you stop eating animals because they are ill-treated in modern agribusiness then purveyors of such business will have a smaller market and will therefore have to increase efficiencies, possibly leading to treating the animals even worse in order to squeeze every last dime to pay the feed and rent on the farm.

If you instead research, seek out and patronize those farms and ranches that treat animals better, who feed them better and use as humane methods as possible to slaughter them - not only are you supporting these likely local and smaller businesses, you are telling the agribusiness that there *is* an alternative to the way they are working and that alternative is economically viable.

So, don't go veggie, just get educated about the sources.

Makes more sense to me than just avoiding meat altogether. If I take myself out of the customer category, then why should the business people pay attention to what I say? If I stand up and demand a different product and back that up with purchases, they had better listen to me or go out of business.

Cheers,

Ekatarina

Re: Some thoughts on the matter, stolen from elsewhere

[identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com 2004-03-21 01:44 pm (UTC)(link)
That's a very interesting argument and one I had not heard before. I like it a lot, because I'm all about any position that says "Get Educated." :)

better to have lived and lost, than never to have lived at all.

[identity profile] warhol.livejournal.com 2004-03-21 02:08 pm (UTC)(link)
Well, another take on the same issue: by being a meat-atarian, you're giving animals a chance to experience life. Sure, they'll meet (no pun intended, snicker) an untimely death, but until then.... they get to enjoy frolicking in a field, eating grass, fornicating, and all these other worldly pleasures. At least they get a chance to experience some things, and hopefully a bit of happiness.

Of course, much meat is produced in miserable, industrial-scale operations.... so maybe life isn't so idyllic. But there's the potential to be.

Re: better to have lived and lost, than never to have lived at all.

[identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com 2004-03-21 02:15 pm (UTC)(link)
I happen to like cows a lot. Precisely because they aren't so bright! They just seem so zen to me, sitting out there in the fields chewing and looking around.