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three ([personal profile] threeplusfire) wrote2004-05-16 07:34 pm

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Well, once again the Simpsons was a weird, weird ride. Principal Skinner loudly proclaimed his status as a veteran of America's only losing war, and Homer added "To date!" Alan and I just looked at each other. I don't think we could really say anything about it.

I think I'll disturb myself and watch The Matrix.. I've been writing all weekend and I am no closer to a coherent paragraph.

[identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com 2004-05-16 07:37 pm (UTC)(link)
That's an interesting idea... it makes a lot of sense given the Oracle is part of the machine world. It makes a lot more sense than the mystical great Destiny idea, which has been my beef with the trilogy on the whole.

Now why the hell was the first one so good, and the next two not quite as cool? Though I admit there were parts in Reloaded that were superbly fun. It was hard to drive to work after that freeway scene. Damn.

Cooler than cool? Not possible.

[identity profile] patchwolf.livejournal.com 2004-05-16 09:13 pm (UTC)(link)
Because the first movie was all about discovery, which the second two could patently not be about.

A lot of it is also based on the marketing used to promote the movies. Recall the marketing for the first movie... TV spots which were simply a black screen and the green letters typing out "The matrix has you..." and "What is the matrix?" So everything in the first movie was mind-blowing and new, because we'd never seen anything like it.

Marketing for the second (and third) movie(s)? Just like any other movie -- collages of scenes from the film, played faster and faster. The first movie attracted us by piquing our curiosity, so we went in not knowing what to expect; the second and third attracted us by showing us what to expect, and then delivering just that.

As for Destiny vs Oracle-intervention, I choose to believe the Oracle-intervention theory (as I would). It fits the movie, it makes sense, and I haven't found anything or anyone who could convince me (with evidence) that it was wrong.

Of course, I'm also a proponent of a radically alternate theory to how the Matrix world worked out. I prefer the Matrix-within-a-Matrix theory to explain the events in The Matrix Reloaded, and if I even run a Matrix play by email game, I'll probably use both the Oracle theory (which fits) and the Matrix-within-a-Matrix ending instead of the ending put forward by The Matrix Revolutions.

Don't get me wrong; I loved all three movies as they were. I just think there are other explanations.

Re: Cooler than cool? Not possible.

[identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com 2004-05-17 04:14 am (UTC)(link)
I don't remember the early marketing, as the movie came out at a time in my life when I wasn't paying so much attention to the outside world. I do remember a friend taking me to see it a couple weeks after it was released, and a very long conversation in the pool about it.