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three ([personal profile] threeplusfire) wrote2002-11-21 02:24 pm

in which I ramble about guns



I've been thinking about this site for a few days now. They lay out their arguements well, and I tend to agree. I'd like to say something, but I don't know what yet. The site contains a large number of by images both hilarious, chilling and thought provoking.

[identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com 2002-11-21 02:54 pm (UTC)(link)
Wow. I think you might be the only person on my friends list right now who's also pro-gun-ownership, or at least sympathetic to the idea.

My grandparents were pretty prominent, peaceful people who didn't own guns early in their lives. My grandfather's father, however, did. When the Nazis invaded Prague, guns were immediately outlawed, and any civilian found in possession of a gun faced the death penalty. My grandmother's brother joined the underground anti-nazi resistance, and all those guns of my great-grandfather's went to the Czech resistance. My grandfather almost got caught with several assault arms in the trunk of his car (he rear-ended an SS official who, thankfully, didn't bother to search the car). My grandmother's brother eventually died in the resistance, and I've always seen him as my greatest family hero. My mother and grandparents, due to their dispositions, aren't terribly happy with the idea of owning guns, but my aunt followed in her uncle's footsteps and owns a sawed-off shotgun to protect herself from burglars (she lives in the absolute middle of nowhere- no police could help her in the event of a break-in).

I personally can't shoot guns, and don't own any, but I sort of want to. It's a hard decision for me. I worry that I couldn't trust myself with it, or that my children would play with it. And then there's the issue of making gun-control laws that at least make it somewhat harder for people with actual criminal backgrounds to buy guns. It's a complicated issue. But I certainly at least want the option, considering that I'm a (mostly) psychologically balanced, law-abiding person. *sigh*

[identity profile] neflhim.livejournal.com 2002-11-21 03:05 pm (UTC)(link)
A side note, if I may. Were they involved it the death of SS Obergruppenfuehrer Reinhard Heydrich? My father knew someone in Chicago who was connected to that. I can't recall how of the top of my head.

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[identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com 2002-11-21 03:33 pm (UTC)(link)
Oh, yes, the Czech resistance -did- kill Heydrich. I can't remember how either. Maybe a bomb? Or a sniper. Ack, I should know this. But I don't think my great-uncle was part of that division. As far as I know, all the people directly involved in that death were found out by the Nazis, and ended up hiding in a church basement several blocks down from where I am now. The Nazis tried to drown them by hosing water into the basement and all the trapped resistance soldiers took their own lives. In retaliation for Heydrich's assasination the Nazis also killed the whole (unarmed, to get back to the topic *wink*) town of Lidice just for the hell of it. No. Actually they killed all the men, and sent the women and children to concentration camps, and so maybe like three people from Lidice survived.

Can you tell I have huge problems with the Nazis? Oh well, I'm certainly not the only one in the world who does.

It's possible that some of the guns that my great-grandfather owned got into the hands of the guys who killed Heydrich. It's also possible that my uncle knew some of those guys. But it's impossible to know anymore.

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[identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com 2002-11-21 09:02 pm (UTC)(link)
I've been to Lidice.

No history other than that of the Russians makes me as sad as that of the Czechs. But it is one of the things I love about that country, the palpable sense of history in certain places.

[identity profile] neflhim.livejournal.com 2002-11-21 09:47 pm (UTC)(link)
A bomb, if I remember the book (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0020345054/qid=1037944011/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-9663224-1734503?v=glance&s=books) I read on it. I was amazed by the '6-degrees' nature of the post.

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[identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com 2002-11-22 02:03 am (UTC)(link)
yeah, it's rather impressive.

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[identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com 2002-11-21 08:58 pm (UTC)(link)
That's an amazing story. Wow. I have a great deal of respect for that. Thank you for sharing that story.

I think all people have the right to defend themselves from a great many things, however they choose. It's a choice, and it's one people need to take seriously. If you're going to have a weapon you should damn well be responsible with it, in my opinion.