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[threeplusfire]

I shouldn't read the internet so soon after waking. It only pisses me off.

Fuck that vegan moral superiority bullshit. There's something delightfully evil about knowing that in order to sustain large crops of grains you end up with a lot of dead field mice. Oh, I am so going to use that line on the next self righteous vegan who tries to make me feel guilty for eating meat.

Thankfully my friends who are vegetarian/vegan/whatever who are not militant about their choices and don't feel the need to run around trying to guilt others into adopting their behaviour. I will kindly eat their share of the world's meat so they won't have to. Everyone wins!

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[amp23.livejournal.com]

My favorite is getting the militant types to think about just why animals in specific are held above all other life. A salad kills just as many living things as a steak. Washing your hands is tantamount to genocide on the microbial scale. Why is killing only murder when done on something with a face?

Life feeds on Life. People have the right to choose what they do or do not eat, but pushing those choices on others (whatever the choice may be) steps over that line between your rights and the rights of others to their own path.

interesting link

[tsarina.livejournal.com]

I am all for producing better ways of farming, and using less scary chemicals and all that stuff. But oh my do I hate being talked down to, or being antagonized about my eating habits. I feel the same way about those who are militant and fearsome about religion or politics or music.

Like you said, everyone needs to find their own path.

[n-o-m-i-c.livejournal.com]

I was a vegetarian for a while (by no means militant), and one of the more compelling reasons for it that I found was the way in which the grains and other vegetable matter that goes into feeding animals raised for meat could go a lot farther in feeding humans.

To me, the sort of utilitarian math of the resources that go into a single meal (and the environmental impact of it) was a lot stronger reason than the moral weight of killing animals.

Just something to think about.

[tsarina.livejournal.com]

I think the morality argument is a hell of a lot more useful when discussing the unpleasant and cruel conditions used to produce a lot of mass market foods. But saying just eating another creature is a moral issue flies right out the window with me. The entire ecosystem is based around creatures eating other creatures, from the insects and plants up to the cows and tigers.

Not all of the vegetable matter that goes into feeding livestock is suitable for human consumption. Cows have different teeth and different stomachs that allow them to eat a lot of tougher, more fiberous stuff.

[amp23.livejournal.com]

I'm aware of that argument and completely agree with it. There are a number of reasons to eat vegetarian diets that have nothing to do with the morality of killing or exploiting animals, and it was those arguments which lead me to look further into vegetarianism as a way of life. In my opinion, the militant "meat is murder" types do a lot to detract from the more reasonable arguments regarding why someone would choose vegetarianism through their ridiculous outspoken tactics.

I've never fully committed to vegetarianism, but i have plenty of veggie and vegan friends (especially from asian countries). Learning about vegetarianism has definitely changed my eating habits for the better, though I have trouble sayin no to a good burger or steak.

[tsarina.livejournal.com]

I have to say I'm a lot more receptive to vegetarian options when they are presented from a health point, or as elements of a cuisine perhaps less familiar to me. Man, there's some awesome vegetarian Indian food. They do great things to potato and eggplant. Yum.

[amp23.livejournal.com]

That they do, and this seems to be something common to most non-western diets: meat is not a staple, it's a flavoring or texture enhancer.

changing our outlook of meat to be more in line with this, would do a lot to negate the "need" for commercialized animal production, which in turn would greatly reduce the amount of water and useful food essentially wasted in our agricultural system.

but doing so would also reduce the beef industries profits and undo all the work they've paid for to convince everyone it's what's for dinner. as the oprah case shows, they're happy to spend millions to protect their billions from any perceived threat whatsoever.

[tsarina.livejournal.com]

I need a shirt that says "I love meat, but damn if I hate giant evil corporations."