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Jun. 22nd, 2009 01:36 pm
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Some of you will say you know this. But this goes further than just knowing. it's not just about saying "Oh, I know this!". It's about DOING. It's about lifestyle. It's about every day words and actions. It's about changing the world we live in, one word at a time, one action at a time. Over and over and over again, until it sticks.

http://meallanmouse.livejournal.com/1043361.html

Yes. For heaven's sake, live what you talk.

Date: 2009-06-23 03:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com
Seriously, as a male after reading this I feel dirty for being male - and that's just as wrong as the wrongs that are described against women.

That's from your first comment. The very first comment in the thread. Before I or anybody else showed up and took issue with it. And it goes contra to your statement:

"Just to clear up something else, I have no male pride."

If you don't have any male pride, how could the linked post make you "feel dirty for being male".

Your subsequent raising of your schoolyard beating strikes me as being intended solely to distract your readers and elicit sympathy. It's a classic technique. If you did have the degree of understanding and empathy on the issue at hand that you claim to have, you wouldn't have written that statement, or, if you'd done so inadvertently, you would have realized that what you'd written was spectacularly offensive and retracted or apologized, instead of doing what you did.

Again, rephrased to negate your evasion: how is the miniscule offense to whatever sensibility caused you to first comment "just as wrong" as rape, sexual harassment, or spousal abuse? How is being made to "feel dirty as a male" "just as wrong as" being raped, harassed, or beaten?

Edited Date: 2009-06-23 03:51 pm (UTC)
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Date: 2009-06-23 05:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fearsclave.livejournal.com
Well, I don't suppose I should have expected anything better from you.

To my mind, and the law, there's a world of difference between expressing a bigoted opinion and actual harassment or abuse. It does not take moral genius to tell that actual abuse is far worse than being a bigot; there's a clear difference between prejudice and violence. And finding imaginary prejudice "just as wrong as" violence against women? It takes a certain special lack of moral perspective to do that.

Have I made myself perfectly clear as to what I think about your original thoughts on the matter, and how I remain unconvinced and unimpressed by your subsequent attempts at self-serving justification?

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Date: 2009-06-23 09:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] moljn.livejournal.com
Well, good to see you finally stand by your original comment, after being quoted it again and again. It's still a vile opinion, though, especially considering you'd have to squint a heck of a lot to call the original post prejudiced.

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