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Fives times now, and it gets harder each time to remember that I am only sitting in the dark in front of the enormous silvered screen. The shot with Eowyn coming up the steps to the great hall at Edoras, and you can see her legs because she's holding that green dress up to run moves me for some reason I can not fully articulate. Fives times, and every time I weep for it, every single damned time. Perhaps it is the music, and all those people trying to make the right decisions, and the despair of leaving, of dying.

I really don't give a damn what kind of evolutionary throwback it makes me to want a simpler, feudalistic era, with Tolkien's nostalgia and all. I don't remember which review I read made that comment now. But it would rest easier on my heart to know what I believed in, for the answer to be that much clearer for me. Because all I fucking want anymore is to know what I believe and I don't have that answer.

Metro, my Metro at 3am on a Monday night is sparsely populated. But Steve is working, so you know the music will be good, even with all those strange Depeche Mode covers that are oddly entertaining. On the way home I heard a song I used to sing under my breath in my seventh grade math class, after we moved and I was again the unfamiliar strange kid who told stories that were wildly far off what should have been true.

And yes, I am in a mood, and no I really couldn't give you a good reason. Other than this inner voice that seems to affect me very strongly right now, and I'll chalk that up to it being the end of the year. I hate this day, I hate this moment with a passion because it fills me with such unease. I should spend it somewhere loud and full of people I know, but I imagine I will be at home, cleaning and consuming stimulants. Or perhaps I'll just take something so I sleep through it all. But we both hate to sleep, hate the thought we might be missing something, so we wake up early even though there is nothing to do.

TTT

Date: 2002-12-31 06:09 am (UTC)
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
We went to see it again last night, too...though it only marks my third viewing.

"But it would rest easier on my heart to know what I believed in, for the answer to be that much clearer for me. Because all I fucking want anymore is to know what I believe and I don't have that answer."

Yes.



Re: TTT

Date: 2002-12-31 12:08 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Melynda and I have this competition, which one of us can see it more times. My goal is to see it at least eight, so I can say I've spent twenty four hours in the theater.

Re: TTT

Date: 2002-12-31 03:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
Hey you're ALL ahead of me, I just saw it last night.

But I have to second this opinion. So fucking true.

Re: TTT

Date: 2002-12-31 03:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
I would drag you along with me if I could. :D

Re: TTT

Date: 2003-01-01 03:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
Well, see, it's not out in Prague yet, and I just got back on the 27th. I saw Harry Potter on the 28th and the Two Towers on the 30th. And at our really huge-screen theater, too. So all things considered, I'm doing pretty well. But still.

Re: TTT

Date: 2003-01-01 03:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
I've missed your posts. Let us know how you are faring.

Isn't it brilliant and beautiful? I think this trilogy might be the greatest movie making event of my lifetime.

Re: TTT

Date: 2003-01-01 03:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
I'm writing a big long thing, it's just daunting when you have a lot of stuff to write.

I was blown away. I'm very sensitive to pictures so those pan-outs were just stunning for me. Of course I've read the books too many times to relive what it felt like to read them for the first time, but I think if anything can bring that back, it's these movies. That's saying a lot.

Re: TTT

Date: 2003-01-01 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Yeah. I first read those books when I was very young. Seeing them on screen made me feel eight again.

Re: TTT

Date: 2003-01-01 05:49 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sammka.livejournal.com
Especially since everything in the movie makes you feel so very small.

Re: TTT

Date: 2003-01-01 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Oh indeed. I think I've sat in every part of the theater, watching them and nowhere makes me remember I am only sitting in a dark room with an enormous screen.

Date: 2002-12-31 07:36 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reive.livejournal.com
I saw it again last night too and cried at _everything_. When Treebeard says, "The Last March of the Ents." ..... gah. And when the Rohirim, come down that insane slope into Helm's Deep, that now freaks me out because actual horses couldn't make an angle like that, so they too seem like ghosts to me. So many dead things, so much awful desire to leave something of themselves in a world that cannot accept the living.

While structurally the first film is better, both because of its place in the 9 hour epic and because they had to cut less coherency from it (I'm dying for the extended version of this), this is the most emotionally interesting and powerful thing I've seen on the screen maybe ever.

Someone on my friends list has a real hate on for these movies -- all this fantasy taking us away from reality. Aside from matters of reality, and the purpose of art, what does it matter if there are no Hobbits, if in the stories of them their emotions are true?

All of that said, the Aragorn /Legolas thing seems slashier to me each time I see it, to the point of uncontrollable laughter, and in Osilgiath or however you spell it my brain had an awful "kiss little hobbits, kiss!" moment. And I may have it bad for the elves, but I am _not_ one of those hobbit people.
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From: [identity profile] elionwyr.livejournal.com
Elves, hobbits, Gollum...
Has anyone fallen madly in love with the dwarves yet?

Date: 2002-12-31 09:34 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sykii.livejournal.com
Horses can actually do that. Whether they really did in the film or not, I haven't watched it enough times (yet) to know, but they can. If that makes you feel any better.
And the 'last march of the Ents' thing _really_ gets me.

Date: 2002-12-31 10:21 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reive.livejournal.com
I know they didn't in the film, because it was just too dangerous, but I hadn't even known horses could take an angle like that (the one where they pull back the camera and they are spilling down that insane slope with Gandalf in the lead).

The Ents thing frustrates me because I don't know if people get it -- because they are a bit cartoony, and because the nature of what they are and the thing with the Entwives isn't in there.

It's really about the most tragic film I've ever seen. _Everything_ is dying. And I wonder if one of the many parts of it for me is that my grandmother lives by a burnt out forrest that looks just like the burnt one Arwen wanders through and the hobbits wander through at the end of the movie.

Date: 2002-12-31 10:27 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sykii.livejournal.com
As soon as I posted that, I wanted to amend it- a single horse could safely descend that gradient. A group of horses could, but not safely.
Of _course_ they didn't in the movie, and I'd have known that if I'd stopped to think a moment.

Date: 2002-12-31 10:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reive.livejournal.com
God, horses are weird.
And yeah, I mean, let's keep in mind, certain cast members couldn't even get on their horses without cracking ribs. *ahem*

Re:

Date: 2002-12-31 12:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
I don't think I'd want to be on the back of a horse going down that slope. But at least I can get on my horse. *suppresses snicker*

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Date: 2002-12-31 12:43 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
What does it matter indeed, the forms, if the heart of the story is genuine and real? You are right. I've never seen movies that I wanted to burn into my retinas like this. Not ever. I grew up on movies, and I'm willing to state that I've seen a hell of a lot of the best cinema in the world. Still I find this mind boggling, and it's Peter Jackson! Good gods above, the man who made Meet The Feebles made this?

Eomer's charge down that slope, and the dawn, makes me sit forward in my seat, and the first time I saw it I bit my lip hard enough to bleed. That whole movie... my eyes are welling up thinking about it right now. But there's so much death, and Theoden's line, "Then I would have them make such an end as to be worthy of rememberance..."

Heh, I had a Hobbit moment too, and oh the wrong. It was so funny. And now that my friends are seeing it multiple times, I think they are also picking up on the extra camraderie of the Fellowship's tallest fellows.

Date: 2002-12-31 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] reive.livejournal.com
The line I love and can never remember is also Theoden, when he charges and says something that includes three "fors" and one is "wrath" -- I can't remember it though. It's so perfect. And when they are charing into the orcs done the ramp and the camera is behind them. Good god -- I'm so interested in that emotion for each of them, because it's such a different one for each of them.

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Date: 2002-12-31 12:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Theoden's such a good character, and I wonder if other people see that, or just think he's an old mad man who lost his son.

Once for wrath and once for ruin, and something more.

Date: 2003-01-01 04:48 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] curmudgn

"Now for wrath, now for ruin and a red nightfall!"

And it's Éomer who says that, not Théoden, in Return of the King, during the battle before Gondor (Cormallen Field, I believe?).

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Date: 2003-01-01 05:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Aha, thank you. I can't seem to find my copies in our library at home. I think they must be buried under the books I brought home this summer.

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