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Jun. 22nd, 2009 01:36 pm
threeplusfire: (Bond in b/w)
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Some of you will say you know this. But this goes further than just knowing. it's not just about saying "Oh, I know this!". It's about DOING. It's about lifestyle. It's about every day words and actions. It's about changing the world we live in, one word at a time, one action at a time. Over and over and over again, until it sticks.

http://meallanmouse.livejournal.com/1043361.html

Yes. For heaven's sake, live what you talk.
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Date: 2009-06-22 09:15 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Okay, you know you are my friend - but your response to this other person is needlessly cruel with the unique snowflake comment.

I'm not sure I can pinpoint exactly how this all spiraled out of control, but I am really surprised. I don't know where or how you're getting some anti-male sentiment out of this, because I keep reading six ways to Sunday and I'm not seeing it. But I think this needs to pause right now.

Date: 2009-06-22 09:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynt.livejournal.com
Sorry, ma'am. Didn't mean to hijack.

*facepalm* Or sir! Didn't mean to make gender assumptions!
Edited Date: 2009-06-22 09:20 pm (UTC)

Date: 2009-06-22 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Hahah! But that's kind of hilarious, given my transgendered state. Either is appropriate.

And after all, how can you tell the gender of the swimming pool in the icon? :D

Date: 2009-06-22 09:26 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynt.livejournal.com
My assumption honestly was based on the username. But hell, sometimes boys want to be pretty princesses too, right?

Date: 2009-06-22 09:44 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
Indeed. One of my enormous (ridiculous) internal crisis moments as I wrestled with coming out as transgender (ftm) was "Oh god, does this mean I have to give up all my earrings and tiaras? Noooooooooo!" I have since decided that men do not get enough sparkly dangly earrings so I must continue to wear mine.

Date: 2009-06-24 08:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mattcaron.livejournal.com
On the flip side, male fashion does tend to get a better assortment of trousers with useful pockets. Being a bit of a gadget whore, yet not wanting to adopt either the utility belt or photographer's vest, this appeals to me.
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Date: 2009-06-22 09:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynt.livejournal.com
Sugarplum, I didn't point blame. I took specific issue with a specific sentence, which even you have now repudiated. Abuse and violence is always awful.

Date: 2009-06-22 09:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
In any other situation, I think it would immediately bring commiseration. But you're directing the conversation away from "these things happen that are bad, more men AND women need to step up to break down this culture" to "what you're saying makes me feel bad about my gender." Which I think the author of the post pretty clearly told you was not the case. You are making this very much about you, and while you are a valid valued human being with tragic experiences, that isn't what was posted.
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Date: 2009-06-22 10:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tsarina.livejournal.com
I confess then that I do not understand and am at a loss as to how to bridge this disconnect.

Date: 2009-06-22 10:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizkayl.livejournal.com
I think everyone in this discussion is in agreement, delchi was just saying that it made him feel guilty.

I was doing reading on Racefail and realized, just because you don't mean to do say or something offensive, doesn't mean it doesn't hurt. How am I, not being male, supposed to know how much that offends him? Just because it doesn't offend me, doesn't make it inoffensive. You can't make someone feel one way or another.

The best thing I've found for moving past it is to apologize for the slight, validate their concern (assuming they aren't full of it, which delchi obviously isn't), and try not to do it again.

Date: 2009-06-23 12:57 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosathome.livejournal.com
No, but you can change how you feel.

Date: 2009-06-22 09:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kathrynt.livejournal.com
Also , comparing how a piece of text makes a person feel vs illegal physical violence is not a fair comparison.

It's your comparison. If you want to back off from it now, that's fine.

Date: 2009-06-22 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lizkayl.livejournal.com
I'm sorry that those boys attacked you and that the authorities in your life failed you. Those are not appropriate reactions and there should have been more people standing up for you.

So- let's encourage people to stand up for each other.

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